all the things with shirley hagel
A few weeks back, my American twin, Shirley Hagel had me on her podcast. I had such a fun time I just had to share it over here with you guys. We chat about how we randomly found each other, plus she asked me about parts of my career I’ve never shared online before, like working for Aveda.
We get pretty gritty with honesty about the industry and Instagram but also how crucial communication is in our jobs.
Listen in as we get real about learning to fail and getting comfortable with being uncomfortable.